If anyone has upgraded their brake systems or know a little on the subject, i'd appreciate some advice on which of these 3 would be the smartest investment. I personally am looking into the Spoon brake system upgrade.
Spoon is just Nissin pads...AEM pads are Nissin pads...
the Spoon name adds 50% markup....
the Spoon 4 piston calipers are awesome....but if I was going to shell out that much cash, I'd look at AP Racing/Brembo 4 piston calipers or Baer 4 piston calipers.
Willwood (with 11-11.75 in. rotors) make the most affordable 4 piston calipers (Superlite line) that will still use the stock mounting points and allow you to use 15 in. wheels...but don't have mounting hat dust covers...so you have to clean 'em periodically... great deal with Porterfields will give you all the stopping power you will ever need.
yea...the other brands are good...but more so for the race track only!...spoon is good for street and track...though it will be cheaper than AP Racing brakes...as for brembo??...its ok for street too...but i think they only make a big brake kit, you must have larger wheels,...where as the AP racing, and spoon will fit on 15's...i know a few ppl using spoon brakes and i think they are great...but then again...I guess this decision is based off personal preference and budget... mine personal preference is Spoon...
the Speed Channel Touring car Realtime Racing ITR and the GrandAm Series ST1 class Planet Earth GSR's from last year (which have been sold to some lucky bastard) use 15 in. rims and AP Racing or Brembo brake calipers....they fit on our cars and are streetable.
...no big brake kit and the need for 17 in rims here.
That AP Racing caliper pic on the post above IS on a street ITR not a race car. have you looked at the price of Spoon calipers? AP Racing are close in price....
As for streetable pads...I didn't say Porterfield R4 or Hawk 9012 Racing or Panther or ATS carbon pads...which would make you sound like you were killing a cat every time you broke.
I did say the R4S which are street/track versions...good wear longevity, low dust production, good friction range but gentle on rotors, and great heat range (fade resistance) without the noise...I prefer them over the Hawk HP Plus (which are street/track pads).
Spoon pads are just Nissin pads (makers of Honda OEM pads as well) that have been upgraded slightly and AEM pads are the same thing at a lower cost.
The other brand other than Porterfields are the Endless CCS pads...nice:
when I say noisy, I mean not just the sound of a brush on a blackboard...I mean it sounds like a cat was having it's tail crushed or someone's nails was running on the blackboard..it's is noisy and people stare at you at the lights thinking you need a brake job and new pads when in fact the coefficient of friction is so high the squawk and squeel.
Ive been searching online and I cant realy find where to buy the Porterfield R4S's MD or someone must know... and do you recomend using a higher temp brake fluid or should stock be ok if I'm gonna autocross just a few times a year?
check the COMMoN TOPICS thread on DOT 4 Upgrades Brake Fluid. They tend to be hygroscopic meaning they love water and require more frequent changing due to water accumulation in the lines...so wet temp limit is more relevant in practical terms. I use Motul 600.