that 4pt is crap. not only does it not bolt up to the shock towers, but it does not bolt up to the firewall. When i mounted this bar, handling got much tighter. For example, that loose feeling on the freeway or at high speeds, took care of that. Keeps it stiff, felt like i had no power steering on the freeway. Of course i have other suspension mods, but that tighting happened only after the bar was installed.TheGSRGuy on Sep/23/07 said:An alternative would be a 4-point bar like the Neuspeed. It doesn't bolt to the strut towers -- it bolts to the upper control arms.