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well it finally happenend i got pulled over for my exhaust...i now have 5 days to get rid of it or i get a 95 dollar fine...anyways i am now wondering what a type-r muffler would run me i believe it would look stock and give me the same performance?
 

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What kind of exhaust is it and where are you located? What's illegal about it?
 

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what kind of exhaust did you have?

damn beat to the post...
 

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that what i was going to ask.

whats illegal varies from state to state, could've been too loud, here in wisconsin it's acctually illegal to change your exhaust for the purpose of making it louder, but they really dont bother you unless your doing something stupid.

EDIT:beat by lt..sorta
 

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i live in PA as well and cops havent bothered me about my evo...
 

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what kind of exhaust do u have? is it 50 state legal? if so, get the paperwork to prove that it is.. take em to court.. companies like HKS and GReddy are 50 state legal.. $95 fine my buttola.. if its only a fix it ticket.. slap ur stock canister on.. get it signed off.. put ur exhaust back on..

a "es oval" is only $100 and u can spray paint it black..(jdmhondaparts.com) or if u want a more stocky look.. comptech is a good choice as well.
 

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my buttola, as sonic would say, the cops are just picking on you because you drive an import, it's happened many times to me, just go to the police station right before it closes on the weekend and catch a cop in a hurry to leave and tell him to inspect it, he'll tell yo it's fine...if you don't do that take em` to court and fight, fight ,fight!
 

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tonight i was down at the circuit and i went to go talk to this guy who owns like 4 vipers but anyways i have a ractive exhaust (sh*tty as hell) but the cop said that there have been too many complaints about the "weed wacker exhausts" so the williamsport po po was there all night pulling over anyone and everyone with an exhaust.
 

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I got pulled over a few days ago myself, the law states you can't modify your exhaust an anyway. Here it is, the cop wrote me up for section 5...

The 2001 Florida Statutes
Title XXIII
Motor Vehicles Chapter 316
State Uniform Traffic Control View Entire Chapter

316.293 Motor vehicle noise.--

(1) DEFINITIoNS.--The following words and phrases, when used in this section, shall have the meanings respectively assigned to them in this subsection, except where the context otherwise requires:

(a) "dB A" means the composite abbreviation for the A-weighted sound level and the unit of sound level, the decibel.

(b) "Gross combination weight rating" or "GCWR" means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a combination vehicle.

(c) "Gross vehicle weight rating" or "GVWR" means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a single vehicle.

d) "Sound level" means the A-weighted sound pressure level measured with fast response using an instrument complying with the specification for sound level meters of the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or its successor bodies, except that only A-weighting and fast dynamic response need be provided.

(e) "Department" means the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.

be permitted to operate a vehicle at any time or under any condition of roadway grade, load, acceleration, or deceleration in such a manner as to generate a sound level in excess of the following limit for the category of motor vehicle and applicable speed limit at a distance of 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel under measurement procedures established under subsection
(3). a) For motorcycles other than motor-driven cycles:
Sound level limit
Speed limit
35 mph or less Speed limit
over 35 mph
Before January 1, 1979 82 dB A 86 dB A
on or after January 1, 1979 78 dB A 82 dB A
(b) For any motor vehicle with a GVWR or GCWR of 10,000 pounds or more:
Sound level limit
Speed limit
35 mph or less Speed limit
over 35 mph
on or after January 1, 1975 86 dB A 90 dB A
(c) For motor-driven cycles and any other motor vehicle not included in paragraph (a) or paragraph (b):
Sound level limit
Speed limit
35 mph or less Speed limit
over 35 mph
Before January 1, 1979 76 dB A 82 dB A
on or after January 1, 1979 72 dB A 79 dB A
3) MEASUREMENT PROCEDURES.--The measurement procedures for determining compliance with this section shall be established by regulation of the Department of Environmental Protection as provided in s. 403.415(9), in cooperation with the department. Such regulations shall include the selection of measurement sites and measurement procedures and shall take into consideration accepted scientific and professional methods for the measurement of vehicular sound levels. The measurement procedures may include adjustment factors to be applied to the noise limit for measurement distances of other than 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel.

(4) APPLICABILITY.--This section applies to the total noise from a vehicle and shall not be construed as limiting or precluding the enforcement of any other provisions of this chapter relating to motor vehicle mufflers for noise control.

(5) NOISE ABATEMENT EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIoNS.--

(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle or any other noise-abatement device of a motor vehicle operated or to be operated upon the highways of this state in such a manner that the noise emitted by the motor vehicle is above that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured.

(b) No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon the highways of the state with an exhaust system or noise-abatement device so modified.

(6) EXEMPT VEHICLES.--The following are exempt from the operation of this act:

(a) Emergency vehicles operating as specified in s. 316.072(5)(a).

(b) Any motor vehicle engaged in a professional or amateur sanctioned, competitive sports event for which admission or entry fee is charged, or practice or time trials for such event.

(c) Any motor vehicle engaged in a manufacturer's engineering, design, or equipment test.

(d) Construction or agricultural equipment either on a job site or traveling on the highways.

(7) VIOLATIoNS.--A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
 

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I read the statutes.
Here's the argument:
Unless the officer actually and properly measured the noise level of your vehicle and knows that it exceeds the level that your vehicle produced stock (which he will also have to offer proof of), then he hasn't proven that you committed a violation. It doesn't say it's illegal to modify, just illegal if the modification increases the noise level above stock. The burden of proof is on the state. If the system followed it's own rules, this alone would result in the case being dismissed. Unfortunately it doesn't, so this is no gaurantee. If everyone took these cases to court, writing these tickets would become unprofitable. I realize this takes time, money, and effort, but that's the only way things are changed.
 

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yes this is true. remember in our legal system YOU do not have to prove that you are innocent. it is up to the authorities to do this. hell an officer can charge anyone he wants to with murder, that doesnt mean the acuused is going to jail, guilty, or did anything wrong. it is up to the court to prove that. just because you got a ticket doesnt mean that you did anything wrong at all.
 

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Glfsurfer on Aug/24/02 said:
(6) EXEMPT VEHICLES.--The following are exempt from the operation of this act:


(b) Any motor vehicle engaged in a professional or amateur sanctioned, competitive sports event for which admission or entry fee is charged, or practice or time trials for such event.
Auto cross count? Does the fee mean spectating fee or competitors entry fee.
 

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Matt_vn on Aug/25/02 said:
Quote: Glfsurfer on Aug/24/02(6) EXEMPT VEHICLES.--The following are exempt from the operation of this act:

(b) Any motor vehicle engaged in a professional or amateur sanctioned, competitive sports event for which admission or entry fee is charged, or practice or time trials for such event.
Auto cross count? Does the fee mean spectating fee or competitors entry fee.

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You're not proven guilty until all your appeals have been exhausted. Like Alex (hootb18) said, if a jury finds you guilty of murder, you have 30 days to appeal. If you do not appeal, then after those 30 days, THEN you are a murderer. If you appeal, you go through it all again. I learned this in my first criminology class on Thursday. Interesting stuff, the teacher is an attorney...

Anyways, I live in PA too and I had a flowmaster exhaust on my camaro and I didn't have any problems. You know what I REALLY hate? Those freaking bikers who are so loud that it hurts your ears, now THOSE ass holes should be the ones getting pulled over. I hate how they try to look so tough when they are experiencing a middle age crisis. Most of them are....blah blah blah no time to finish now.
 

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Something i've never understood, people with imports getting pulled over for their exhaust being "too loud" and bikers(Harley's for example) can be the loudest things on the road.
 

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Not to mention the loud noise the Harley's make is an illegal modification made by the owner, which most of them do make.
 

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You asked about the type r muffler... I have one... you can find em for pretty cheap on ebay or recycler.com once in a while for less than $100 easy. I read specs that is has 30% better flow over stock, altho I feel its pretty restrictive even then... its still a chambered muffler with lots of insulation so you can't expect it to be wide open. My friends have told me that it sounds nice when i open her up. It gives a nice growl, and I'm hoping i'll see more improvements when i put on the type r b-pipe thats coming in the mail.
 
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