[maco144]

I need some advice to make sure I dont sound like a total ricer, so that the shop doesnt try and rip me off.
I have a Garrett T3 w/ .48 a/r turbine and .42 compressor and internal wastegate. The other parts I'm looking to add( keepin boost at 5 PSI) are
RC 440CC injectors
Hondata stage 2b
Turbo timer( Greddy model)
Blow off valve
Air/fuel gauge
Boost gauge
Manual boost control
2.5" downpipe
Exhaust manifold with piping

I can get all the parts except for the downpipe and exhaust manifold. Should I take whatever the mechanic suggests to use w/ the downpipe and manifold??
Do you think he going to try and sell me other parts to the kit??
What would be a good price estimate for labor, and should I try barganing w/ him on the price??
Lastly, I'm gonna need my 2b to be configured, should I go to him( assuming he has experience) or wait and get it done by a Hondata dealer( there is none close to me).

 

[nospeedlimit143]

why only boost it to 5psi?

 

[TurboLS]

you don't need hondata for only 5psi. that's for over 10 psi. but i guess as long as you have it, u can use it. if you''re only running max 5psi, 440cc would be too big in my opinion.

 

[JiggyKooAndy]

440cc is way too big, u'll run rich. don't waste $1000 on hondata if ur boosting 5 psi either...

 

[98turbors]

Hey just go with an FMU and fuel pump. Or you can go with some 310 CC injectors and the greddy blue box. I've got an extra one if you wanna buy it. (Not the injectors just the box) They are right,if you are only going 5 psi (don't know why you would spend the money on a turbo if that's all your runnin w/ 9.2:1 compression) there would be no need for 440's and hondata. I'm gonna be running 15 psi and I might get 440's. Let me know if you want the blue box though. I have no use for it. I'm using Vortech FMU and MSD fuel pump for now till' I get my hondata. Then I will have no use for the fmu or fuel pump any more. How soon are you planning on turboing your car?

 

[BoostControl]

Your 440 injectors are a bit to big for 5psi. You will be fine on stock or choose 310's. A Hondata may be a bit much ....But think of it as a investment now.
Just in case you want to crank the boost up and add internals etc. later on down the road.
Pay now or later your choice. But it's a good thing to have it. Your on the RIGHT track. And YES...Make sure whomever knows how to tune it and set it up.

Make sure the install shop is HIGHLY experienced with your car type and turbos ! Spare no expense on QUALITY & EXPERIENCE ! Or else...HEADACHES AND $$$$ you will pay later.

The Manifold is one of the most important FIT parts you will need. These are made specific for our cars. Be careful if the shop says "CUSTOM" SAY NO...unless this is a REAL pre-fab/machine shop/race team etc. Look at Rev-Hard Manifolds.

once again you right on course...
Good luck !

 

[210rida]

have you looked into the VAFC hack? take a peep and the link..

VAFC Hack

 

[maco144]

Thanks for the advice so far

I'm going w/ these parts now so I can boost higher when I have enough $$ to upgrade my internals. I figured I could have the hondata programmed to balance the richness from the high flow pump & injectors.

Turbors, I'd be interested in it if I decide to not get the Hondata. How much would you be willing to part w/ it for??

 

[maco144]

And I quick other question. BOV's aren't really car specific, as long as you get a flange that fits your car's turbo setup. Correct??

 

[maco144]

JiggyKoo, you can get a hondata 2b for 500 bucks. A 4b just costs 1000 bucks if you look at the right places.

 

[maco144]

21orida, I looked at that, crazy stuff. I'd be afraid of putting 9 PSI on stock internals though. But damn, that's real cheap. The need 450CC injectors doesn't make sense to me though, you should just be able to adjust the VAFC to account for a richer/leaner flow of fuel.

I thought VAFC's would only work well on Vtec motors though( hence the V in VAFC), but that site says the guy is running it on his 88 CRX.

 

[210rida]

Maco144.. well im no Turbo Guro or anything, but i found that link on a thread on Superhonda.com.. im in the same boat as you, trying to learn as much as possible before installing a turbo.. i am also on a buget and was looking at way to help keep the cost down and that VAFC Hack thing looks promising.. on that other board people were saying how it works and is worth looking in to..

i Didn't write this but this is what someone else had to say about it..

Quote: Originall posted by LEGENDBOY on superhonda.com The idea behind using the safc for boosting is very simple. First of all, running bigger injectors like DSM's u need a way to adjust the fuel so u can idle them. Setting the Safc to -40% will allow u to idle them nicely. Second, we all need a way to trick the map into thinking there is no boost. This has been done with a check valve/ missing link, which bleeds off boost at the map. The Safc modifies the map voltage that the ecu reads. This works not only for adding more fuel or leaning out fuel but it also hids boost. When your turbo spools and the intake system is pressureized the map will read the pressure and start dumping fuel in to try to compensate as well as throwing cels from hell. Using the Safc to limit the map siginal hids boost from the ecu, or instead of hiding it the ecu thinks boost is normal acceleration conditions and acts normaly (amount of fuel) just like we want it to. That way we can adjust the fuel using the Safc to where we like it and the ecu is none the wiser. The Safc can add or lean + / - 50% ! Which is very good and it limits the map signal up and down. Boosting with the Safc works really well, most peps who use love it! But I still want my Honddata![/QUOTE]

 

[210rida]

so look into it because im considering it very much, because i also plan to bost around 6-9 and this fits my budget very nicely

 

[TurboLS]

I was using the SAFC with 370CC injectors. idle is fine, as is WOT. but the SAFC cannot handle the partial throttle, cannot lean out the fuel enough to prevent surging. but then again, i was attempting to install my upgrades in stages (turbo upgrades, that is). I also didn't have the 255 lph fuel pump on, so that may have played a role. I had the 1000RPM set to -30% and could go anywhere from -31% to -50% for the other RPM levels, but it still surged at partial throttle.

 

[asianspeed]

I plan on trying the afc hack too. I've heard that it's pretty good for <11psi...which is my plans. Seem's like a lot of people are doing this hack on other message boards. Not a very big topic in here.

 

[TurboLS]

yeah, i tried mine without the fuel pump upgrade. So when i get the fuel pump (walbro gss342), i'll put the rc 370s back in and see if i can fix the surging problem. Also, i think you can use the Greddy Profec B to calculate boost levels at given RPM, which would defeat the purpose of the FMU, but then again, the Greddy is a hunk of change. Lemme know if you find anything with 370cc injectors for the AFC hack.