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Budget Suspension Help

Hi everybody! I've been lurking around on this site for a few weeks but this is my first post. I picked up a 95 ls/vtec for cheap a while back. It was somebody else's project and the more I've gotten into it the more I've decided to make it run and through around a grand in upgrades at it and just get good at driving and autoxing it.

How the car currently sits: The car currently is an ls/vtec with 115 on the odomiter. It's a 5spd but 3rd is gone so I'll need to get a new trans. Just discovered that my drivers side axle has no boot... so I'll probably just get a new set I think from Raxles. It's sitting on lowering springs that are just to low for going anywhere in Dallas and Blackworks front UCA and rear camber kit with GSR blades.

Sorry for the long winded intro. I figured I'd supply as much info now as opposed to subsequent posts. Now to the meat of my question. My plan for this car is to get good at driving stick and autox.
To do that I plan on getting:
Nitto NeoGen tires in 205/50r15 $370
Set of generic rotors from rockauto $55
Hawk HPS pads $130
Energy master bushing kit (part maintenance part upgrade) $150
Finally I cant decide between Eibach Pro plus kit which is springs (1.3" drop) and sway bars $570 or Eibach Pro springs $250 and Koni oranges $320.

So I guess my question is knowing my goals, budget, and supporting mods would ya'll recommend springs and sway bars on OEM struts or springs and struts on OEM sway bars? I've also heard of some ITR suspension pieces being used but dont know much about that. Is that an option I should look into?
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I'v personally ran about 15 different suspension setups on the DC chassis, if you want to get something that will handle well, only be a 1 inch drop, and still street comfortable on a budget look for a set of OEM ITR shocks, springs, and rear lower control arms. Normally you can find all of this for sub 300 bucks. Remember the ITR is one of the best handling FWD cars ever, Factory parts are a huge upgrade over worn out LS/GSR parts. These will bolt right on to any 94-01 Integra as long as you get the ITR Rear LCA's. For bang for your buck these are really hard to beat. Add an ITR 22mm Rear Sway Bar and it will make the car come alive in the bends. ( you really should add a subframe brace to use a 22MM rear bar)

The Koni STR.T (or oranges) are valved just like a yellow on full soft, which is very comfortable, but lazy in the corners. I had these with ITR springs on an old Daily Diriver GSR, and the shocks were softer than the OEM ITR parts.. They are not recommended for someone who wants to autocross or track. The car floated and didn't feel as connected as on the ITR shocks.

You can go with any of the Eibach springs, they make great products, the spring rates are decent, but not really stiff enough in the rear to seriously autocross. I want to say the Neuspeed Race springs had good rates but don't quote me. Going with Ground Control Coils will give you the option for any spring rates you would like. Most members here run a higher spring rate in the rear to help the car rotate, but this isn't really an option with off the shelf springs. The drawback to using Ground Controls is you really need a good quality shock to go with it, Koni Yellows work very well if you stay under 600lb springs.


Adding a Rear Sway bar will help the car rotate a lot better, on the DC chassis you really need to add a subframe brace to keep it from tarring out. ASR makes a great brace, and then you can use a 22MM ITR rear bar, or even bigger with the 24mm ASR bar.

Hopefully this helps a bit.

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Quick question; Where are you getting those Nitto tires from? I paid $280 shipped for the exact same tire from Discount Tire Direct.
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If you want to be really budget I would look around for some used wheel/tire combos...I see so many all the time and usually can always find some gems for good prices.

Koni GC is pretty much the gold standard for suspension here on TI and on most teg forums..that being said from what i've read/what I have on my build are the Progress CS IIs. You'll save a couple hundred buck, and they have a handful of spring rates to choose from. Coilovers in general really are the way to go though for performance. Good pick on the bushing kit btw
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itr springs give a nice subtle drop with good spring rates, depending how the shocks are I'd replace them with either koni yellow/orange or bilstein sports, which you can use later on with ground control coilover sleeves if you want stiffer springs and/or adjustable height. Pair it up with the 22mm rear sway bar and its a good setup. Although this is a really good deal since you get the brace and sway bar, I believe morningz has this rear bar.
GSP Rear 25mm Sway Bar Swaybar Subframe Brace Integra 94 01 Civic 92 95 Silver | eBay

I've had my itr springs/bilstein sport setup for nearly 2 years and I going to continue to stick with it until I get a faster motor and possibly do at least a few track days. I am the limiting factor of the setup, not the car lol
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Do NOT get the neogens. They suck! Dry traction is meh and wet traction is nonexistant

Yokohama s drives or bf goodrich sport comp2s are a much better choice. I personally love the sport comp2 as a daily tire and have tracked with them before. Great tire for the money
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I'v personally ran about 15 different suspension setups on the DC chassis, if you want to get something that will handle well, only be a 1 inch drop, and still street comfortable on a budget look for a set of OEM ITR shocks, springs, and rear lower control arms. Normally you can find all of this for sub 300 bucks. Remember the ITR is one of the best handling FWD cars ever, Factory parts are a huge upgrade over worn out LS/GSR parts. These will bolt right on to any 94-01 Integra as long as you get the ITR Rear LCA's. For bang for your buck these are really hard to beat. Add an ITR 22mm Rear Sway Bar and it will make the car come alive in the bends. ( you really should add a subframe brace to use a 22MM rear bar)

The Koni STR.T (or oranges) are valved just like a yellow on full soft, which is very comfortable, but lazy in the corners. I had these with ITR springs on an old Daily Diriver GSR, and the shocks were softer than the OEM ITR parts.. They are not recommended for someone who wants to autocross or track. The car floated and didn't feel as connected as on the ITR shocks.

You can go with any of the Eibach springs, they make great products, the spring rates are decent, but not really stiff enough in the rear to seriously autocross. I want to say the Neuspeed Race springs had good rates but don't quote me. Going with Ground Control Coils will give you the option for any spring rates you would like. Most members here run a higher spring rate in the rear to help the car rotate, but this isn't really an option with off the shelf springs. The drawback to using Ground Controls is you really need a good quality shock to go with it, Koni Yellows work very well if you stay under 600lb springs.


Adding a Rear Sway bar will help the car rotate a lot better, on the DC chassis you really need to add a subframe brace to keep it from tarring out. ASR makes a great brace, and then you can use a 22MM ITR rear bar, or even bigger with the 24mm ASR bar.

Hopefully this helps a bit.
Thank you for all the input everyone! I dont think coilovers are really in my budget so I'm thinking im gonna go with the itr shocks, springs, and LCA. H-Motors has all three for $250.
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andrew1320, I got them from discount tire direct as well. I ordered them yesterday and they got here today. All said and done, it's looking like it's gonna be about $100 a tire.

Does anyone have positive/negative experience with the sway bar brace combo aw614 posted? It looks pretty nice and would put me right in budget.
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I can vouch for the s drives...so much grip wet or dry it's kinda nuts compared to stock
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I miss my s.drives. I'll probably get another set when it warms up. My old DZ101s were fun until they got worn too much, then they skated around on anything but warm dry pavement.

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andrew1320, I got them from discount tire direct as well. I ordered them yesterday and they got here today. All said and done, it's looking like it's gonna be about $100 a tire.

Does anyone have positive/negative experience with the sway bar brace combo aw614 posted? It looks pretty nice and would put me right in budget.
I would read @MorningZ 's build thread, he is using it and tracking the car without any issues. If he would have had an issue with it he would have probably mentioned it in his build

Found it
https://www.team-integra.net/forum/20...s-gsr-313.html

What trim level is your 95? Depending on the trim level you may have a 22mm or 24mm front bar, so putting a 25mm bar might be a lot for someone starting off, I would suggest getting seat time with just the springs and shocks and using the stock ls/gsr rear sway bar and then progressing to the 25mm.

Unless you are doing stupid on the street and suddenly lifting, the 25mm should be ok.
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My car is an ls. I'll probably get the type r springs and shocks that sounds like a good place to start. At least I could drive the car without scraping all the time.
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Going from worn ls parts to itr will be a huge improvement. Make sure to align your car after installing. Learn to drive and find the limit of your suspension then improve. The RSB isn't completely necessary right away, but it's something you will want somewhat soon.

I'v never seen that particular bar and subframe brace. Looks like an ASR copy. If Morningz uses it and likes it, id trust it!
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So I ordered the ITR set from H-motors today!
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