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Old 08-22-2011, 10:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default DIY: The No BS Bolt on Big brakes for RS/GS/LS/GSR

Doing some highway pulls in my 500whp car and having the brakes fade with race compound pads was unnerving. I decided it was time to upgrade the front brakes. After looking into the idea for months, I stumbled across a combination of ideas. Type R caliper remans can be had for dirt cheap <$30. This is nothing new.The problem was always finding rotors that would work or needed to be drilled and machining the caliper bracket to clear. I felt, along with my colleagues there had to be a rotor that would fit the bill somewhere.


I found a thread on Honda tech where someone had used a Mini Cooper rotor and it bolted up no problem. The hub bore was exactly the same as our Hondas and the 11” diameter fits the bill for the caliper. I bit the bullet I guess you could say and ordered Calipers, Rotors, Pads, and Stainless lines.
I was super happy when the ONLY modification needed was trimming of the dust shield to clear the bigger caliper. No machining of the bracket is neccesary to center the pad either. These combined with EBC reds just destroy my tires at threshold braking which I don’t remember being able to do even auto crossing.

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Results? I am running Rock Auto Centric rebuilt prelude calipers, semi loaded on full race prep 98 EK coupe.,2400lbs loaded, me in it. Mini Cooper Autozone blanks. Raybestos race pads. Have run three events. No issues. I will say that the Mini rotors are smaller diameter and the brake pad edge extends a 16th or 32cd of an inch past the rotor and a line will form on the pad edge.

There was NO noticed performance issues that I detected. (in comparison to the Prelude rotor with same caliper that was machining to properly space it, note: no machining needed for Mini rotor clearance) The set-up was run very hard at Infineon for a break-in session in Time Trials followed by a weekend of race with NCRC at brake eating (for me) Thunderhill. The Centric caliper and Mini- rotor set up is legit and works very well. I am pushing this system as hard as most of you guys will. The calipers and rotors got wicked hot at Thunderhill on a 90 degree day an no melting internals, no warping or other stuff. You can rest assured that it is a quality system, no issues and met expectations so far.
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Rims confirmed to fit (many w/ pics!!):

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- SteveV91: 96 Snowflakes (pic)
- Arodgsr2: "YESSSSS FINALLY CONFIRMATION!! All 15x6 Honda wheels have a +45 offset including ITR wheels"
- dadon1: "Ok turns out 15" gt3s fit with out any spacers!"
- stealth penguin: "Confirmed that this brake upgrade will fit behind OEM 15x6 2004-05 Civic steel wheels." (pic)
- mohawk42: "Fits my 15x7" wheels" (pic, pic)
- asianzt: "They also fit beautifully behind my set of 15x8 +36 949Racing 6UL"
- hungry718: SI 15x6.5" (pic)
- known: "I was running them on my 15 inch Kosei K1s. They will need spacers or grinding of the calipers to fit on an RPF1."
- EXITENDZ: (pic)
- LightningTeg: Drag DR16 16", Drag DR31's 16", Fat fives 15" (pic)
- Arodgsr2: GSR Blades: (pic)
- shafto: with his 16" rims (pic)
- i heart my DC2: "Fits on: Drag Dr-29 15x7 and 2003 Mini Cooper stock rims ( really small clearance )"
- Kaelorr: mesh 15 7.5 +15 (pic)
- Beater: PIAA rims (17" i think) (pic)
- 200k95gsr: fat 5's (pic)
- MorningZ: 17" Motegis (pic) and 15" Meshies (post, little too close for my tastes, using spacers as a result)
- dhabell: meshies (pic)
- dannymad: SI wheels (??) (pic)
- tlangy: these fit under 16x7 Rota Boosts with no issue (pic)
- mutt8588: pic with Enkei RP02 16x7+35 and stock steelies

Bleeding sequence:
94-97, RR, LF, LR, RF
98-01, LF, RF, RR, LR


Basic Parts List: (Rock Auto.com)

- Centric Type R Brake Caliper Remans ~$35 Each (Brackets COME WITH CALIPERS)
- Centric Premium Mini Cooper rotors 4x100, 280mm diameter ~$40 Each

+ your choice of pads

= ~$250


ALTERNATIVELY:

Jeff at ProPartsUSA has put together some packages with calipers, 280mm rotors and various levels of brake pads

details in this post later on in the thread --> click here for ProPartsUSA packages























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I have to agree- not pretty...and looking back, I'm pretty rusty (hahahaha) being that this is the most welding I've done in some 6-7 years. But hey - function > form



Indeed!! This has got to be the easiest, most straight-forward big-brake upgrade, ever. And with OEM parts to boot! Here's everything mounted - it just looks plain good:



I was honestly a bit worried about the bolt holes - I think they're 1 or 2 mm larger on the Coop rotors than the Integra's - but then I remembered that the center diameter is exactly the same, so no worries.

Here's the hardest modification you'll need to make - you can see here that the Type-R calipers are clearly larger and interfere with the dust shield:



Just break out the old angle grinder and cut here:



And here you can see fitment is good after the two cuts:



Still need to order the pads and the SS lines...but it's certainly coming along.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmmm, may have to try those with my nsx calipers. Make the swap even easier and just toss the heat sheild instead of trimming it.
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Mmmh that's Def a good way to get it done
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Nice, i'm going to grind those stupid dust shield lol never thought about it (since i hate to cut anything OEM hehe...) But i thought you need to get the bracket from fastbrakes to line it up? Otherwise you will get uneven wear? Could be wrong. I had to get a bracket for my NASX calipers.
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I approve this upgrade.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've been waiting a long time for someone to figure this out lol Koodos.

Just to be clear, do you know the model/year of the mini cooper that these are from? the 2010 Mini Cooper S perhaps?
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2007 Mini cooper, non S. Just check the diameter
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Awesome thread. I may sound like a newb but whats the difference in the LS,GS,RS,GSR calipers to Type R?
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Know if it applies to rear brakes as well?
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Know if it applies to rear brakes as well?
You know Id be damned, the rear type R brakes are 10.25" and the rear mini brakes are 10.23". So yeah, it would probably work.

Problem is the rear calipers are not so common and are $100 a pop without cores.
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Awesome thread. I may sound like a newb but whats the difference in the LS,GS,RS,GSR calipers to Type R?
Pad is bigger and rotor is 11" in diameter vs 10.3".
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I read somewhere that you can use rear 2002-2003 civic si rotors and si/rsx rear calipers or vigor rear calipers (not sure). I think you just have to swap the right to the left and flip the caliper. Only thing is your bleeder will be upside down.
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