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Old 04-25-2011, 11:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys, sorry but this new system for TI is hard to work with..i can barely find anything that i search..

anyways. i tried to bust my axle loose with an impact gun and it still didnt come off.

impact gun max was 250ftlb of torque max.

air compressor max was 120 psi, i forgot wat CFM is and i dont know what is the relation. explanations would help.

how much torque is needed to apply to the axle nut for it to spin off? I'm guessing it is more than 250ftlbs because that impact gun couldnt take the bolt off..

i see that the torque specs for the axle nut is around 132ftlbs..but howcome even 250ftlbs of torque from an impact gun cannot break it loose? help please! Thanks!l
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1) did you make sure to unbend the notch?
2) Try using a breaker bar, that worked for me
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Go to harbor freight, buy this 12 dollar breaker bar. Make sure the middle of the nut has been "unstaked" (pry out the part that was folded in). Pop out the center cap on your wheel and put the wheel back on, lugnuts, and lower the car. Put a 6 point socket on the wheel nut, breaker bar you bought on that, and jump on the breaker bar.
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yes I have, done it all. i had a 1ft breaker bar and an extension pole which is abt 1.5ft. my friend and i BOTH could not bust it loose. after trying for a while, the breaker bar snapped. i also broke 2 more ratchets after the breaker bar too.
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they can get really seized on there because of all the weather and corrosion, seeing as how u live in Minnesota, that is probably the explanation. I've had to bang on em with an impact for a couple minutes on occasions to work them off. But before you break any more tools, I would look for a beefier gun and/or more PSI.
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When I went at this, I started by blasting the axle nut with a propane torch for a few minutes - until the edges of the axle nut started to turn red. That loosened up any rust that seized the nut with the axle. My teg went through four Michigan winters which did the damage.

Once that was done, spray it with a little PB Blaster. Then use a breaker bar - minimum of 2 feet, preferably a little longer. I have the 25" breaker bar from Harbor Freight mentioned earlier. To gain more leverage, I separated part of the lever on my floor jack and slid that on the end of the breaker bar. It came right off.

Your other option to get a larger breaker bar is to get a section of galvanized steel pipe at Home Depot. They sell them in the plumbing section.
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I used a 3 ft breaker bar + i added the bar for my floor jack, put it over the breaker bar about 2/3 of the way, so total 4ft bar and i jumped on it, i weigh 200lbs.
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A good breaker bar + the 4 ft handle from my jack broke it loose with NO problems.
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I had alot of trouble with that bad boy. I used a 5-6 foot breaker bar and it just bent the bar. Ended up using my jack handle and jumped on it. Well that actually broke my craftsman 1/2 drive rachet in half. Ended up taking it to a mechanic to have them break it off with a impact gun and re tighten it to a less ft lb so i could get it off.

FYI: They are tightened to 134 ft lbs.
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i guess i need to find more long bars to break it loose..but does anybody know what kind of impact gun strength is needed to break it loose? would 300ftlbs spin it? or do i need a 400ftlb one?
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i dont think anyone can tell what ft/lbs to use because every nut probably rusted on different, some might take 200ft/lbs, and others might be 400, it all depends on how rusted on their it is.
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The only impact guns I've heard of that can pop just about anything loose are Ingersoll Rand - and most of those are really expensive.
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I have a hf 3/4" drive socket set that i use. Pretty reasonable..useful more than one would think too. Maybe you should hit the gym before working on the car again..j/k man. Those nuts suck some times. PB blaster FTW though. I've always been against using heat near the wheel bearings...idk thats just me though. I've never been turned away from a bolt with this set and small (under 2ft) additional cheater bar.
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When I went at this, I started by blasting the axle nut with a propane torch for a few minutes - until the edges of the axle nut started to turn red. That loosened up any rust that seized the nut with the axle. My teg went through four Michigan winters which did the damage.
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