Take 90 mins of your time, protect da teg

[DPancoast]

I feel like he doesn't trust his ebrake enough to not park in gear in the hilly area he lives in which is why he doesn't want a remote start system because he "couldn't" use it

[mugen_power3339]

Originally Posted by MorningZ

You are missing the point of this whole entire post.... you do *not* want to tie them together as you defeat the whole purpose of "layers"

Also, you ask if your alarm has an output, are people supposed to guess what make/model you have? And what does hills have to do with remote start?

I dunno man, you're asking all the wrong questions and concerned about things that shouldn't be

Originally Posted by DPancoast

I feel like he doesn't trust his ebrake enough to not park in gear in the hilly area he lives in which is why he doesn't want a remote start system because he "couldn't" use it

Thank you for explaining it further for me. I apologized for assuming other people would get the relation between hill->park in gear->can't remote start. Maybe it only appear to me as common sense.

I forgot to put my alarm's model and made. I have a Viper alarm 771 VX. It comes with the remote start module but I didn't install it.

[MorningZ]

Well regardless on your view or desire of remote start systems. it is a bad idea, useless idea actually, to use your alarm to control the fuel cutoff...

because someone grabs your key (and as a result, alarm remote) and disarms your alarm, they just defeated two layers of security in a single action.... and that pretty much makes the fuel cutoff pointless

[mugen_power3339]

Originally Posted by MorningZ

Well regardless on your view or desire of remote start systems. it is a bad idea, useless idea actually, to use your alarm to control the fuel cutoff...

because someone grabs your key (and as a result, alarm remote) and disarms your alarm, they just defeated two layers of security in a single action.... and that pretty much makes the fuel cutoff pointless

I see your point. I agree with you if most people car got stolen because the theft have a possession with the alarm remote and key. But I don't think that much. What I am trying to accomplish is that people can't drive my come with out disarming the alarm with my remote. Also, they can't drive my car away even if they take out the alarm module completely. I come here for information and contribute some of my idea. I don't think saying other people's idea is useless is a fair opinion. Don't forget it is people creativity that move this website.

[MorningZ]

"But I don't think that much"

Maybe you should, because a car thief sure in hell is.....

And sorry you take what i posted as "opinion", but you are wanting people to post what you want to hear, and what you want to hear is not something that is going to do anything to protect your car....

And you also don't need to lecture me on how a website is "moved" or whatever you meant..... i started this site 12 years ago from absolutely nothing, so i know a few things about how a site becomes what it is (and poor advice is one thing it definitely isn't built upon)

[mugen_power3339]

Originally Posted by MorningZ

"But I don't think that much"

Maybe you should, because a car thief sure in hell is.....

And sorry you take what i posted as "opinion", but you are wanting people to post what you want to hear, and what you want to hear is not something that is going to do anything to protect your car....

And you also don't need to lecture me on how a website is "moved" or whatever you meant..... i started this site 12 years ago from absolutely nothing, so i know a few things about how a site becomes what it is (and poor advice is one thing it definitely isn't built upon)

Okay, I think we get off at the wrong step. Let's back up a little bit. By no mean, I am trying to be disrespectful. I am not trying to get people to post what I want to hear. What I want to hear is how to wire it. Not people giving opinion about how it doesn't work. I do appreciate you making the website. There will be no Team-Integra.net if it was for you. But sometimes I do think some of your opinions are rather one subjective.

[MorningZ]

i speak from experience :-)

I've been doing security for 23 years now... take "subjective" as knowing what I am talking about, and I know that wiring a fuel cutoff to the alarm and creating a single point of defeat is not a good idea and isn't accomplishing anything

protecting our cars is all about layers and separation and slowing a potential thief down....

[mugen_power3339]

Okay, I would think about that. I do have an idea about using a key pad to enter code for the fuel cutoff switch. What do you think about that? It is kinda like the one in one of the Transporter movie.

[MorningZ]

While that seems all bling-y and all, what if you give your car to a mechanic, shop, tire store or friend? Are you willing to give your "code" to these people? is this "gee wiz" factor worth leveraging an important layer to protecting your car?

I hope the answer to that would be "hell no", and this is a perfectly valid question/answer to the momentary switch posted a page or two ago, there is no way to keep it a secret

Keep it simple, a simple well hidden on/off switch is the best solution, there are absolutely no style points given for security..... in fact, the fancier it gets, the more likely it is to fail

[DPancoast]

Also blackjax

[TBNITEMARE]

Oh this will definitely help me sleep at night when I get around to finishing these mods!

Side note: To all the people I've seen saying "don't post this stuff the thieves are watching" I'd rather hand a car thief a general list of my security layers, then just let it sit there undefended, my 68 vette got robbed and it hurt almost as bad as my first love ending, lol!

[mutt8588]

theyre saying dont post anything revealing, like the location, color of the wires, anything that would make the security null and void. information is a powerful thing, especially in the wrong hands. NO ONE is saying its better to not have security, theyre saying its better to leave security specific information off of the internet.

[Dagobah]

Hey guys. I'm going to try to tackle these things pretty soon. I was wondering if someone could PM me some location ideas. I was thinking one for short-term parking that's easily accessible from the driver's seat, and a longer term parking switch in some place that's more inconvenient and can't be reached (or found) as easily, UNLESS having 2 switches running off of that wire is too much of a drain for the system. Thanks guys.

[stealthpenguin]

Originally Posted by Dagobah

Hey guys. I'm going to try to tackle these things pretty soon. I was wondering if someone could PM me some location ideas. I was thinking one for short-term parking that's easily accessible from the driver's seat, and a longer term parking switch in some place that's more inconvenient and can't be reached (or found) as easily, UNLESS having 2 switches running off of that wire is too much of a drain for the system. Thanks guys.

Having two switches is a great idea. No need to worry about draw so long as you use the ground signal wire for the fuel pump/ECU. Maybe even intercept the factory wiring at two different locations as well.