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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 11-24-2008, 12:42 PM Thread Starter
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Hey guys,

Next year I want to get my teg tuned with something, well.. better than the emanage. But I also want it to be OBD2B compliant. So hondata/chrome etc are out of the question in terms of emissions = fail.

My question is, will the AEM EMS actually pass emissions. At first I thought it would, but I think I heard stuff about the diagnostic port not working with it, or being unsupported... This true?
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No emissions machines can communicate with the AEM EMS, so in a short answer, no it will not pass emissions with the EMS





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And your 100% sure on this?
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The EMS is not an OBD2 PCM, so it would just spit back an error is my guess.
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But it claims to use all stock sensors for the 98-01 Model.

Anyway, I suppose I'm limited to the emanage ultimate for tuning with OBD2 and having full control over ignition and the injectors?
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Just because an ECU uses all stock sensors, does not mean it will communicate with an emissions machine (which is required for emissions). Remember, the emanage is just a piggy back system which "manipulates" the signal, it does not replace a fully adjustable standalone system.
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I've looked into this, and everywhere I read said NO, the AEM EMS does not support the OBD2 scan port. Apparently the board inside the case is the same for both OBD1 and OBD2 units.

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Just because an ECU uses all stock sensors, does not mean it will communicate with an emissions machine (which is required for emissions). Remember, the emanage is just a piggy back system which "manipulates" the signal, it does not replace a fully adjustable standalone system.
Were talking about ultimate here right? I understand the emanage blue simply adjusts fuel by tricking the map sensor. Ultimate allows for direct ignition/injector control.
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You can't write a program better suited to pass emissions then the factory one.

Secondly, you cannot pass an emissions test legitimately with ANY modifications to the emissions system, and the ECM is basically the heart of this system.

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Yea I kept looking on and one and I found a few people saying its really just obd1 but with a obd2 harness socket.

Thanks for all the help guys

Emanage ultimate, this forum has little on. This should technically allow for a decent tune without failing emissions correct?
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to my knowledge you cannot pull CEL's with AEM EMS so when they hook up the scanner and cant find anything, you fail. Does that sound right?
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to my knowledge you cannot pull CEL's with AEM EMS so when they hook up the scanner and cant find anything, you fail. Does that sound right?


Yes.

Quote: migee on Nov/24/08 But it claims to use all stock sensors for the 98-01 Model.

Anyway, I suppose I'm limited to the emanage ultimate for tuning with OBD2 and having full control over ignition and the injectors?
Because it uses stock sensors for input and output values. But doesn't use them for emisions purposes, only so the car runs and performs.

As mentioned above, it uses the stock sensors, but it does not have the capability to communicate with the emissionsdevices when they hook up to the OBD2 port. You basically get nothing and no responses.

There is an OBD1 ad OBD2 version. But it clearly states that the system is not emissions compliant. It has been brought up in AEM's discussions forums when I had one a few years back. But now that I've taken my smog courses, I know for a fact that its ridiculously hard to get all those communications to work with emissions.

Good luck, go with a piggy back that is advance enough. As much as I hate to recommend this, its the best route to go OBD2 compliant and tune the car. That or swap over every time you need the emissions test done.

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^ Thanks flatrate! Exactly what I wanted to hear.

Luckily though, I did some more research on ontario up here in Canada and it seems that they have not gone to the obdII diagnostic test route, although they plan to down the road it seems.

But at least now I'm educated for it down the road, but for now I think I can actually run a hondata in my 2000 and pass

Thanks everyone!
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