k20 swaps BAR'D legal in california? - Team Integra Forums

hondaDATurbo · 01-23-2011, 04:05 PM

can someone please elaborate on this subject for me! theres a couple of guys that i know who have successfully done this swap LEGALLY and has gotten the smog passed into their DC's and EK's anyone actually do this? im moving back to california and i dont wanna buy a sti or evo to compensate lol
iim just wondering if anyone has looked into this

asteadydecline · 01-23-2011, 04:14 PM

If you have around 10k+ to spare to do everything right and legal, sure.

hondaDATurbo · 01-23-2011, 04:16 PM

i doubt 10k thats kinda high and i doubt theyve spent that much on it being that it was an integra man

IgorK · 01-23-2011, 04:19 PM

Laws wise you can swap any engine into a car as long as its from same type of vehicle, engine is newer then the car, and has been removed from us registered car, so no jdm engines, but if its from us rsx the you should be fine.

hondaDATurbo · 01-23-2011, 04:27 PM

thank you that is what i was thinking! but i guess ill have some reading to do!

priley909 · 01-23-2011, 05:27 PM

Your best bet is to make an appointment with a state ref. They will answer ANY question you have.

This website is a great place to start.

MasterP_Nice · 01-23-2011, 07:24 PM

The next thing to do if you still have questions is call a BAR field office and ask to talk to a technical specialist concerning engine replacements. They answered a ton of questions I had.

koniteg · 02-26-2011, 12:01 AM

haha 10k???? i am about to complete my k swap in a week and ive only spent around 3k (thats motor trans and all parts lol)

stealthpenguin · 02-26-2011, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by koniteg on Feb/25/11

haha 10k???? i am about to complete my k swap in a week and ive only spent around 3k (thats motor trans and all parts lol)

This thread is about the legality of K series swaps for California cars, and the steps to install all the necessary emissions equipment.

Your rude comments aren't helpful if you didn't realize... How about you create a thread about how to build a budget k swap?

91_LS · 02-26-2011, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koniteg on Feb/26/11

haha 10k???? i am about to complete my k swap in a week and ive only spent around 3k (thats motor trans and all parts lol)

Swapping a K and having it Cali legal is and will cost you that much if not more,trust me,i was about to go for it tell i found out about what all needs to be done.

hondaDATurbo · 02-26-2011, 01:06 PM

i still think 10 k is unrealistic

Mineis4Door · 03-10-2011, 02:20 AM

how hard is it for a k swap to be legit? what kinda of things are required? If its a replacement motor from a rsx type s will it make a difference opposed to a base rsx?

Is there a forum where it states pros and cons of k engines>b engines? (engine weight ect)

leiTm0TiF · 03-10-2011, 10:05 AM

Direct quotes from the link provided by Pat.

"Replacement Engines"
Entire engines can be replacement parts. As with any other replacement part, the engine must be identical to the original. If the replacement block or engine is obtained without emissions equipment, all the equipment from the original engine must be installed on the replacement block.
If the engine is not identical to the original then it is not a replacement part, instead it is considered an engine change.
Engine changes are a modification that must meet certain requirements to be legal (please see "Engine Changes").

"Engine Changes "
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:
The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

Vehicles converted to 100% electric drive, with all power supplied by on-board batteries are considered in compliance with the engine change requirements. All fuel system components must be removed prior to inspection. For additional information contact the ARB helpline at (800) 242-4450

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

Seems to me a K swap would be legit. Time for me to do some shopping

asteadydecline · 03-14-2011, 11:19 PM

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The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle

Good luck with that?

01-23-2011, 04:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
hondaDATurbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seguin, TX Feedback Score: 0 reviews	can someone please elaborate on this subject for me! theres a couple of guys that i know who have successfully done this swap LEGALLY and has gotten the smog passed into their DC's and EK's anyone actually do this? im moving back to california and i dont wanna buy a sti or evo to compensate lol iim just wondering if anyone has looked into this __________________ http://www.myspace.com/hondadaturbo

01-23-2011, 04:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
asteadydecline Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fayetteville, AR Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If you have around 10k+ to spare to do everything right and legal, sure. __________________ My build thread! WTB: Front/Rear Strut Brace DA teg w/ ABS

01-23-2011, 05:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
priley909 Senior Member Real Name: Pat Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Temecula, CA Model: LS Year: 96 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Your best bet is to make an appointment with a state ref. They will answer ANY question you have. This website is a great place to start. __________________ B20 swaped 96 ls- stolen 8/3/09 - found 11/17/2010- RIP "Welcome to Costco... I love you"

02-26-2011, 12:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
koniteg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: florence, AL Feedback Score: 0 reviews	haha 10k???? i am about to complete my k swap in a week and ive only spent around 3k (thats motor trans and all parts lol) __________________ All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.

03-10-2011, 02:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mineis4Door Senior Member Real Name: Samuel Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CA Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how hard is it for a k swap to be legit? what kinda of things are required? If its a replacement motor from a rsx type s will it make a difference opposed to a base rsx? Is there a forum where it states pros and cons of k engines>b engines? (engine weight ect) __________________ let me know if you need someone who loves to race. Becoming a race car driver is my dream

01-23-2011, 04:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
hondaDATurbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seguin, TX Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i doubt 10k thats kinda high and i doubt theyve spent that much on it being that it was an integra man

01-23-2011, 04:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
IgorK Senior Member Real Name: Igor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA Model: RS Year: 1998 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Laws wise you can swap any engine into a car as long as its from same type of vehicle, engine is newer then the car, and has been removed from us registered car, so no jdm engines, but if its from us rsx the you should be fine.

01-23-2011, 04:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
hondaDATurbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seguin, TX Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thank you that is what i was thinking! but i guess ill have some reading to do!

01-23-2011, 07:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
MasterP_Nice Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA Model: LS w/B18C1 Year: 1997 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	The next thing to do if you still have questions is call a BAR field office and ask to talk to a technical specialist concerning engine replacements. They answered a ton of questions I had.

02-26-2011, 01:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
hondaDATurbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seguin, TX Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i still think 10 k is unrealistic

03-10-2011, 10:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
leiTm0TiF Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: , CA Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Direct quotes from the link provided by Pat. "Replacement Engines" Entire engines can be replacement parts. As with any other replacement part, the engine must be identical to the original. If the replacement block or engine is obtained without emissions equipment, all the equipment from the original engine must be installed on the replacement block. If the engine is not identical to the original then it is not a replacement part, instead it is considered an engine change. Engine changes are a modification that must meet certain requirements to be legal (please see "Engine Changes"). "Engine Changes " Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle: The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle. The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight. If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine. All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine. Vehicles converted to 100% electric drive, with all power supplied by on-board batteries are considered in compliance with the engine change requirements. All fuel system components must be removed prior to inspection. For additional information contact the ARB helpline at (800) 242-4450 After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine. Seems to me a K swap would be legit. Time for me to do some shopping

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